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18 April 2014 @ 10:13 am
that heart-breaking moment in Winter Soldier  

I’m seeing a lot of mention going around about that heartbreaking moment in Winter Soldier, and everybody I’ve seen commenting on it says they thought they were the only one who was crushed when it turned out to be what it was instead of what it looked like.

I want everybody to know that it wasn’t just you. It was all of us. It was certainly all of us women, anyway; I’m not sure I’ve seen any guys commenting on it. But every single woman I know seems to have been seized with an inutterable and terrible joy in that moment, a full-spirited OH MY GOD *YES*! that turned into “…oh. Oh. Oh. Well, that’s okay too, but…”

So, yeah. It wasn’t just you. It was all of us. And boy, does that say a lot about our culture, our expectations, and our hopes.

(The actual scene is named/described/whatever behind the cut, but I’d kind of like to see how many people know what I’m talking about just from what I’ve said before the cut. :))

I’m talking, of course, about the utterly fucking glorious moment when the middle-aged British Council member played by Jenny Agutter appears to have suddenly unleashed unholy ass-kicking *hell* on Pierce. It is a moment better than Helen Mirren in the RED movies, which is pretty freaking stupendous.

And every single person who has mentioned it has just died a little inside when it turns out to be Black Widow in disguise rather than *really* being Jenny Agutter kicking ass. I mean, it’s *fine*, it’s good, it’s great, we get the Widow doing what she does best…

…but oh, God, we wanted it to really be Jenny. We all wanted it *so badly*.

(Really, the moment before that, there’s like a 2 second cut frame where you see Jenny–who has been standing a little away from the whole group the WHOLE TIME they’re in Pierce’s office, I noticed this the first time, I noticed both these things–there’s a 2 second frame just before the fightwhere Jenny’s standing wide-legged in this total prepatory action stance and I was like “what the ever-loving hell is she standing like that for?” and then OHMYGOD LOOK AT HER GO SHE’S KICKING ASS SHE’S FO AWESOME SHE’S–oh. Oh. Oh well….)

(x-posted from The Essential Kit)

hegemony hedgehogagrimony on April 18th, 2014 10:30 am (UTC)
I was excited that Jenny was going to whomp his butt while the guys were being useless. Then I realized it was Black Widow and that was fine too but yeah.

And I knew before I read the cut the scene you meant. :)
Laura Anne Gilmansuricattus on April 18th, 2014 10:39 am (UTC)
Yep, yep., yep.
hawkwing_lb on April 18th, 2014 10:46 am (UTC)
Yes. Yes. I was sad that it wasn't Agutter.

I mean, Black Widow is fine, but Agutter kicking ass and taking names her own self would have been AMAZING.
Mary Anne: pixelpers1stence on April 18th, 2014 10:54 am (UTC)
Yep. I knew which one you meant and yep, I shared that brief roller coaster.
roseaponiroseaponi on April 18th, 2014 01:05 pm (UTC)
Yeah - I wasn't certain which moment you meant at first, but thinking back, that's the big one even though there was zero Cap & Bucky angst in it. (Poor Cap - all your friends who aren't dead can't remember you...)

But if it had really been her, would she have had the device (EMP thing that looks like a nickel?) to save herself from the lapel button of death? And since it wasn't her, where was she?
kitmizkit on April 19th, 2014 08:10 am (UTC)
That was a Widow Sting, one of Nat's perennial gadgets in the comics, so yeah, only Nat would've had that, so Jenny coulda gotten fried. :)

I don't know where she really was! I'd really like to know!
Lauratavella on April 18th, 2014 04:59 pm (UTC)
Yeah, me too! I mean, having it be Natasha was *good*, but it would have been unexpectedly cool to have the middle-aged lady doing it. You get middle-aged guys doing it all the time, and about the only female one I can think of is in _Red_.

Though as someone pointed out, she was also one of the people supporting nuking NYC in Avengers, which does make her less cool.
irishkateirishkate on April 18th, 2014 05:31 pm (UTC)
Said it to someone at work today and they were with us on it too..(a woman)

Edited at 2014-04-18 05:31 pm (UTC)
Jenindiana_j on April 18th, 2014 05:54 pm (UTC)
The entire audience went NUTS when that scene has owned - a mix of 'what is happening?!' with 'OMG'. And the disappointment was tangible when it was revealed to be Natasha.
A large duckburger_eater on April 19th, 2014 04:09 am (UTC)
I had pretty much the same reaction, even though I was also glad to see it was Black Widow, because it was time for her to show up and be awesome in act 3.
spiffikinsspiffikins on April 19th, 2014 06:55 am (UTC)
Yup. Exactly this.
Deborah Blakedeborahblakehps on April 19th, 2014 02:34 pm (UTC)
I finally saw the movie yesterday and really liked it. But yes, I grabbed my companion's arm and said, "LOOK AT THAT!" and then said, "Oh." Still good, but man, I would have preferred it the other way.

But at least the Black Widow got to kick a lot of ass in this one, instead of just being rescued.
Amandabranna on April 19th, 2014 08:16 pm (UTC)
Oh, yes. This is exactly the response that I had when I saw it an hour or so ago!
Valerie - Postmodern Pollyanna: natashawiliqueen on April 21st, 2014 11:32 pm (UTC)
I love my Natasha, yes indeed, but you are 100% correct: This was EXACTLY how I felt. As did my hubby.
Carlton Max: baz goatc_maxx on April 22nd, 2014 05:26 pm (UTC)
Didn't Galadriel really light up the woods when she lit up on whoever it was in the Lord of the Rings!
Carlton Max: baz goatc_maxx on April 22nd, 2014 05:23 pm (UTC)
Well, my 5' little old grey-haired Mom once socked me down the stairs when I mouthed off to her, so it DOES happen!
Miss May: bsg starbuckvalancymay on April 22nd, 2014 09:41 pm (UTC)
Yeah, I had that exact moment where she was suddenly my favourite person in the whole MarvelVerse, and then... a sigh.