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14 November 2013 @ 05:13 pm
Jane Foster  

A friend of mine over on FB wants to go see Thor again and there was a discussion about it that I didn’t read, except one comment stood out to me, when he said he didn’t much like Jane Foster.

I love Jane Foster, and said so, and he wanted to know why.

This is why:

Because Jane is a female character who is unabashedly intelligent and never portrayed as anything less than attractive.

Because she has entirely realistic giggly googly-eyed reactions to gigantic blonde men without shirts.

Because she is the catalyst for much of the story in both films, as she’s the one who dares to chase storms and get in governmental faces and make risky choices in pursuit of her yes, inarguably Star-Treky, science, but science that certainly isn’t any worse than Vita-Rays or gamma radiation or arc reactors in peoples’ chests and yet somehow I don’t see people bitching about Captain America or the Hulk or Iron Man.

Because she’s been as brave as humanly possible in amazingly difficult positions, given that she’s an entirely normal person in physical terms and she’s dealing with gods.

Because she’s got female friends and she loves and trusts them and there’s no backstabbing or back-biting or fighting over men.

Because she’s a tenacious and driven female character and never condemned for that–warned about it sometimes, but never condemned for it.

Because they have actually delivered a female with strength of character, with an agenda of her own, with passions of her own, and she’s still somebody who faints or gets woozy when things get really rough because normal people in fact freak out when incredibly bizarre things happen to them.

Because, in short, Jane Foster is what a “strong female character” *ought* to be: a 3-dimensional, approachable, understandable, admirable, weak, silly, funny, clever, foolish–in other words, _human_.

And that, all of that, hardly ever happens on film.

And *that* is why I love Jane Foster.

(x-posted from The Essential Kit)

it's a great life, if you don't weakenmatociquala on November 14th, 2013 04:17 pm (UTC)
Valerie - Postmodern Pollyanna: squeewiliqueen on November 14th, 2013 04:25 pm (UTC)
YES to all of this. So much YES. <3
Chrysoulachrysoula on November 14th, 2013 04:26 pm (UTC)
This may explain why I realized in Thor 2 she was pretty Damsel In Distressy and yet I wasn't bothered at all.
kitmizkit on November 14th, 2013 05:13 pm (UTC)
She was sort of one part Damsel In Dis Dress and one part McGuffin, and as someone else said, she does seem to keep being on a crest toward Doing Something Awesome that never peaks, so I *do* hope she gets to hae a genuinely kick-ass awesome moment in Thor3, but overall I honestly think she's a really good character. I mean, honestly, in that situation I'd probably be pretty goddamn damsel in a dress-y too. Realistically.
Laura Anne Gilmansuricattus on November 14th, 2013 05:26 pm (UTC)
The thing was, in Loki II, no one individual actually saved the day. Person A did X and then Person B did Y, and sometimes Person C threw something in, and together they paused or stopped the Bad Thing, but none of them could have done it alone.

I thought that was beautifully subversive of it.
Geek of Weird Shit: weldinggows on November 15th, 2013 12:46 am (UTC)
Ah. I've not seen any of the other movies she's in, so Jane's character as a standalone in Thor 2 just kind of comes off as Cute Science-y Girl with a dysfunctional hangup over someone she hasn't seen or heard from in two years.

Glad to hear she's got greater depth as a character as a whole.
kitmizkit on November 15th, 2013 06:44 am (UTC)
Well, that's not an unfair assessment of her either. OTOH, tell me you haven't known people who get hung up on somebody they met for a couple of days two years ago... :)

It's not that she's not flawed, because she is, even in terms of me liking the character a lot. But taken as a whole I think she's way above your average movie girl/friend character. In the first movie she and Darcy meet Thor at the same time and I frankly expected an immediate falling out/fighting/bickering over the Hot Guy thing, because that's what happens in movies. But it really didn't happen, and that's practically unheard of, so yeah, it's just that overall the presentation of the lead female is way better than I usually see.
Laura Anne Gilman: do I look impressed to you?suricattus on November 14th, 2013 05:24 pm (UTC)
Jane Foster is awesome. And with Darcy, the Black Widow, Maria Hill and Pepper Potts, make up an ACTUAL SPECTRUM OF HUMAN REACTIONS AND PERSONALITIES THAT HAPPEN TO ALSO HAVE A VAGINA.

This is no small reason of why the Avengers universe, as currently shown in movies and tv, is working. IMGDO.
Mary Anne: pixelpers1stence on November 14th, 2013 07:34 pm (UTC)
And this is part of why I love Pacific Rim so much too......Mako Mori has her own reasons and motivations, and it's not just about romance or being pretty or being an addendum to a boy.....
Stephanie Burgis: happy roguestephanieburgis on November 14th, 2013 05:51 pm (UTC)
I love her too! And although I haven't yet seen Thor 2 (waahhh! I have a small baby, so it's hard to get out to the cinema), in Thor 1 I adored that not only is she a geek, but Thor looooves her geekiness and finds it really attractive. That is so rare in films!
Deborah Blakedeborahblakehps on November 14th, 2013 08:21 pm (UTC)
I'm going to see the movie this Saturday. Now even more excited than ever :-)
hawkwing_lb on November 15th, 2013 01:31 pm (UTC)
Yes. Yes. Yes. YES.
A large duckburger_eater on November 15th, 2013 04:15 pm (UTC)
She's a terrific character. I just wish her decisions had more of an effect on the plot before the ending.
rasmusbrasmusb on November 15th, 2013 05:59 pm (UTC)
Needs a *like* button
Although I have to be more careful as I skim read -- at first I thought you were listing reasons why YOUR FRIEND DIDN'T like her. :P

By the third point-- I was like -- "why are you even speaking to him?" Then realized I skipped an important word or three in the top sentence. :)
Chris: Hercules90scartoonman on November 18th, 2013 06:17 am (UTC)
Well said. It also helps that Jane really is the viewpoint character when we go to Asgard. Everyone there isn't phased by that stuff, but Jane is making realistic and intelligent observations.