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21 September 2013 @ 08:05 pm
Sons of Anarchy & Jericho  

I’ve had Sons of Anarchy highly recommended to me, and it stars Ron Perlman, so I watched the first episode a few nights ago. I didn’t like it very much–every single person in the story is a right bastard, and it’s clear the story will be about the evolution of Our Hero (Charlie Hunnam, aka “Hey, that’s the guy from Pacific Rim!”) from a right bastard into someone who does the right thing. It’s established straight off, particularly since we get to see him beat the shit out of somebody but balk at killing people more than once. Can’t let your hero be a cold-blooded murderer, like. Anyway, I’ll watch a few more episodes and see if I like it despite myself or if I just don’t want to go there.

The actual point of this is to say that I noticed a long time ago that Ron Perlman has gotten better-looking as I’ve gotten older (partly, I expect, to me being less of a callow youth judging on looks alone, but I think he’s actually aged supremely well, coming into that odd face of his in great ways), and his voice has always been knee-weakening, but Sons of Anarchy was the first time I ever did that non-verbal “God damn, I’d hit that,” tongue click thing upon seeing him. God damn, brotha. God *damn*.

And on the flip side, we watched the last couple episdoes of Jericho, which ended a lot more hopefully than I had ever imagined it would. Now I gotta read seasons 3 & 4 in comic book form so I can find out what happens next. :)

(x-posted from The Essential Kit)

Dan/Дмитрий: The Sign at the End of the Universeicedrake on September 21st, 2013 07:31 pm (UTC)
Jericho was based on a comic book??
kitmizkit on September 21st, 2013 08:01 pm (UTC)
No, they're trying to complete the story in comic book form.
Dan/Дмитрийicedrake on September 21st, 2013 08:14 pm (UTC)
Aaah... I kind of lost track of the show after S1 ended and never got to watch any of the rest of it. I figured something near-fatal must've happened to it -- it didn't strike me as the type of show that would get a lot of mass-market popularity. Glad to see they're going to wrap up the story, and will definitely pick up the comics.
kitmizkit on September 21st, 2013 09:02 pm (UTC)
while the season tree comic recaps, i think season two is worth watching. and apparently it was a star trek/farscape style thing wherw the fans said YOU CANNOT LEAVE US HANGING, GIVE US SEASON TWO, so they did a seven episode season eighteen months after it was originally cancelled.
Dan/Дмитрийicedrake on September 21st, 2013 09:03 pm (UTC)
Oh, I'm definitely going to watch the mini-season, yes.
And seasons 3 and 4 of Battlestar Galactica.
And the last two -- or is it three? -- seasons of The Shield.
And season 2 of Continuum.

All I need to do is quit sleeping :)
kitmizkit on September 22nd, 2013 06:47 am (UTC)
Ah, I feel your pain :)
cainle_bean on September 22nd, 2013 12:02 am (UTC)
I have loved him since I first saw him (Ron Perlman that is). Even in Season of the Witch and In the Name of the King.
kitmizkit on September 22nd, 2013 06:55 am (UTC)
Season of the Witch is SO BAD. I just watched it a couple weeks ago, omg. SO BAD! He has a terrific role in the otherwise awful Mutant Chronicles, though.
Childlightchildlight on September 22nd, 2013 01:07 am (UTC)
I am there with with Ron
ruford42 on September 22nd, 2013 02:20 am (UTC)
Yeah...They deal with that story early on, and season 1 even induced a few comparisons to Hamlet. I'm still a fan, but I've having to find time to catch up through Netflix -- but as of season 3, everyone's still pretty much a right bastard. You learn more about their motivations, history and assorted dealings and there are a few who you can develop a sympathy for, others not so much.

I'll give you this much of a spoiler...stop thinking of this as setting up Jax as the hero, and think 'What would Belinda do?' You know, if she traded in her magic for motorcycles and guns. Not exact translation, but probably puts you in the right mindset to better predict what's coming.
kitmizkit on September 22nd, 2013 06:52 am (UTC)
Hah! Now I want to give Belinda a motorcycle and guns...
hegemony hedgehogagrimony on September 22nd, 2013 05:46 am (UTC)
My sister loves Sons of Anarchy. I've not watched any of it.
martianmooncrabmartianmooncrab on September 22nd, 2013 06:09 am (UTC)
Ron Perlman has gotten better-looking

I was first aware of him as an actor in Quest for Fire, and they didnt use that much makeup on him...
All Over The Mapjemck on September 22nd, 2013 08:32 am (UTC)
ooh, we loved Jericho in this household - didn't know about the comic books - must seek those out.

Sons of Anarchy... is right up there on our collective Must Watch List - we're up to what, Season 5, where Jimmy Smits joins the show - and I must say, him as a gang leader badass squaring up to Ron Perlman - rawr on my personal scale.

The thing is - it's often a tough show to watch, with the violence and brutality, especially towards women. But it is a great show for exploring so many angles around that stuff. The extent to those who live by the bike/guns/drugs/pr0n/defying the law end up royally... in a place they didn't want to be and how exactly how are they going to get out of it? Including the otherwise sensible girls with good prospects who fall for the whole bad-boy=charm thing... And there is the humour to balance the tragedy.

The other thing is - we, husband and I, watch it with our 18 and 20yr old sons - and have done so for the last four years, so while they've been in their late teens, playing GTAuto and assorted violent computer games and seeing the aspects of pop culture aimed at lads like them, so often brainlessly objectifying women and promoting macho-bullshit-culture.

A show like SoA really can challenge that with 'so, let's take those attitudes to a dramatic while logical conclusion and see the extent to which people end up royally ****ed with no one but themselves to blame. That's what you want? Really?'

At least, that's how we watch it in this household. Other mileage surely varies. And I don't think husband I could/would have watched it when the lads were small and tucked up in their little beds with teddy. We were all in a different place back then. Does that make sense?
irishkateirishkate on September 22nd, 2013 02:49 pm (UTC)
They are on my list of things to watch but so many things are on that list...

Technically I have seen Jericho - but not enough to get a sense of it really..bits of episodes here and there..
Mary Anne: pixelpers1stence on September 22nd, 2013 03:42 pm (UTC)
People keep telling me I should watch SoA, along with Breaking Bad, and I just....can't.... I don't have the emotional bandwidth for watching shows with such unrelenting darkness and so full of bad people in a real-ish setting, no matter how well acted.
All Over The Mapjemck on September 23rd, 2013 01:05 pm (UTC)
"emotional bandwidth" is an *excellent* way of putting it. Thinking further on that, I realise I'm usually only ever watching one such dark/demanding show (and often none) at any one time.

We don't watch Breaking Bad as it's on pay-TV only here - first series was available free to air and I did watch that. Husband bailed after the first episode on account of 'horrible people who deserve whatever happens to them, not my idea of good viewing' - and the more I watched, the more I could see his point of view. If I catch up with it again, it'll only be with my Pro Writer hat on, to analyse character, story-telling, that kindathing.
Lauratavella on September 23rd, 2013 05:09 pm (UTC)
I don't necessarily mind the darkness -- I loved _The Wire_ -- but I find shows that center on assholes tedious and boring, because I am not interested in spending time with them. Same as I am totally uninterested in watching shows that glorify serial killers, like _Dexter_ and _Hannibal_.
Mary Annepers1stence on September 23rd, 2013 05:30 pm (UTC)
This is a real part of it for me, also. I don't mind shows that have *some* jerks and have a fair bit of dark story lines, but it can't be all a$$hats, all the time, getting away with it for most of the series.