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27 May 2013 @ 10:11 pm
genderswapping lotr  


okay, i’m late to the party, it’s a post from 2010, but i just got pointed at it, and holy mother of mercy. seriously, i would WATCH THE HELL OUT OF THAT. there is no universe in which this should be not happening. this should happen in ALL the universes. especially this one. RIGHT NOW. or better yet like five years ago so i could be WATCHING IT RIGHT NOW.

ben barnes as arwen. *dies the ded of a happy ded thing that dies of happy dedness*

no, seriously, there is NOTHING about that casting that is not MADE. OF. AWESOME. and i swear, even though i knew going in that it was a genderswapped LotR my brain still did not in any way go “gosh, that’s a lot of women.” it went “oh look, pretty man!” a couple of times, and everything else was “HOLY SHIT THAT’S FREAKING PERFECT CASTING!” HELEN MIRREN AS SARUMAN OH YES PLEASE!!! *dies more*

Also–having been reminded by Tilda Swinton as Boromir, be still my beating heart, dear god, ahem, where was I. Oh yeah. I caught a clip of the Bowie/Swinton video a couple nights ago. Please, can’t they just get permission from their partners to make one child? I want to see what species it is. I’m betting elf.

(x-posted from The Essential Kit)

Chrysoulachrysoula on May 27th, 2013 09:48 pm (UTC)
OK, this is an epic fantasy that somebody needs to write. Just take the characters suggested by those pictures, and the basic roles, and make it happen.
dancinghorsedancinghorse on May 28th, 2013 03:26 am (UTC)
Oh Em Gee, YES.

Please please Tilda Swinton please please.

And Kate Winslett. And Katee Sackhoff. And...
kitmizkit on May 28th, 2013 07:17 am (UTC)
Deborah Blakedeborahblakehps on May 27th, 2013 11:27 pm (UTC)
T. Revst_rev on May 28th, 2013 12:42 am (UTC)
As Galadriel Jesus God? This is a very strange musical.
kitmizkit on May 28th, 2013 07:18 am (UTC)
But full of hotness! :)
T. Revst_rev on May 28th, 2013 09:32 am (UTC)
Galadriel Jesus God IS Arwen IN Jesus Christ Evenstar!

Nah I got nothin'
ruford42 on May 28th, 2013 01:44 pm (UTC)
This much eye candy!!! Err...I mean acting talent, yeah...that's what I meant, really :-) I'm ready to grab some popcorn and flop down in the theater with you!

Granted, this may take a whee re-write, I believe Tolkien responded once that the reason he has so few women in his works was because he didn't know how to write them well...But at the same moment, a part of me wants to see Geena Davis yell "Toss me!" and for Ewan McGregor to scream "I am no mortal man!" :-)
kitmizkit on May 28th, 2013 01:52 pm (UTC)
I was just saying elsewhere that the LotR is so based in deep friendships that it's actually almost impossible to imagine that this couldn't work pretty much flawlessly with a genderswap. There's nothing intrinsically male or female about most of the parts, I don't think, except the occasional line like "I am no mortal man," yeah. :)
ruford42 on May 28th, 2013 08:24 pm (UTC)
I could see that about the elves and hobbits for the most part, but outside of that -- what about the adversarial style of Legolas and Gimli's friendship and how it develops over the course of time.

That's a dynamic I recognize from my life and from watching in other men time after time -- It's not a trait that I tend to associate with women, at least if they're past their teens (Kinda tells you where our mental development peaks heh? :)

Maybe it's just my perception filter -- but do you think that relationship works as written with a gender swap, or would that interaction need some adjustment?
kitmizkit on May 28th, 2013 08:27 pm (UTC)
I think women are...no, is too much. Short answer, I think it works essentially as written, although the approach might be a little different. Women are adversarial as much as men, just generally less physical about it. But if you're introducing two women as adept but different fighters, from very different social backgrounds, I think that being trained in weaponry gives them a fairly obvious outlet for trying to out-shine one another. In a so-called typical situation, they'd be fighting over a man, which is a different kettle of fish, but ... well, basically I think it would work. :)
ruford42 on May 28th, 2013 08:40 pm (UTC)
I can see that -- the role would setup a competitiveness regardless of gender.

And now my mine's stopped working and gone off to setup Camp, with the famous line being changed to "...Well then, how about a fish?" promptly before the Nazgul's heart is pierced by a Marlin. Though, maybe that would fit better in a gender swapped Monty Python's Quest for the Holy Grail :)
kitmizkit on May 29th, 2013 06:20 am (UTC)
?elsceetaria on May 28th, 2013 08:46 pm (UTC)
That would be pretty awesome!
Geek of Weird Shit: sensualgows on June 8th, 2013 06:19 am (UTC)
I know this is late in the game, but I've been meaning to weigh in on this. There's only two changes I would make--or, one-and-a-half, sort of, because one is just a shift. Anyway.

Helen Mirren as Gandalf.
Judi Dench as Saruman.