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07 November 2011 @ 09:43 am
Kickstarter quandry!  

This is insane. :)

The “No Dominion” Kickstarter campaign is at just below $13K right now, with a week left to go. And I have reached the peculiar point of now being afraid to mention it much, when in fact normally one would be going OMG HOLY CRAP HOW HIGH CAN WE GO?!?!?!

Because at $15K I’ve promised another novella, but with all the little stuff I’ve thrown in, another novella at $15K isn’t really cost-effective. I mean, there are four short stories, and a chapter of HEAVEN CAN WAIT, and not only have I got a novella listed at $15K, but I also (rashly, but I fear I’m still rather enthusiastic about the idea o.o) promised 2 more chapters of HEAVEN CAN WAIT at that dollar amount too. I mean, on the positive side, I did make it clear those were deadline-at-my-discretion, but even so, I’m finding myself in this weird position of going “crap, I hope it either peaks at about $13.5-14K or goes all the way to like $17 or $18K…” And I hate to close it down early because I said I’d run it for six weeks and I by God think I should, so I’m a bit flaily here!

Truth in crowdfunding, lads, that’s what this is. :) So guide me, intarwebs! Shall I sit here being mum or shall I see just how damned far this horse will go?

Also, can I just say HOLY CRAP 360 BACKERS!!! That’s just shy of TWO HUNDRED more than have signed on for any of my other crowdfunding projects! I don’t know if it’s because it’s Walker Papers/Gary vs Old Races, or if it’s because it’s Kickstarter, or if I’ve flogged it more or if it’s been RT’d more or what, but HOLY CRAP!

eta: I will of course write the second novella if the campaign hits $15K, because I said I would! Just in case this made anybody wonder. It’s just that only in retrospect am I appreciating the flaws in my plans. :)

(x-posted from the essential kit)
Geek of Weird Shit: sensualgows on November 7th, 2011 09:16 am (UTC)
if it’s because it’s Kickstarter, or if I’ve flogged it more or if it’s been RT’d more or what

My guess is that it's these three. I'm still of the opinion that you'd've gone much, much higher if you'd been able to continue to flog it more whilst on vacation.

As for the rest, I guess that's what full-on buy-in looks like when it happens to the author. :D
kitmizkit on November 7th, 2011 09:21 am (UTC)
You really think it'd've gone significantly higher, huh? That...blows my tiny mind, you understand. :)
Geek of Weird Shit: sensualgows on November 7th, 2011 12:56 pm (UTC)
Just from looking at the numbers and your momentum, yeah, I think $20k is a perfectly legit number as a possibility. You'd've definitely have had to have continued to mention it a lot to keep that level of momentum going - in a way that probably would have been uncomfortable (at least at first, although simplisticwords's comment echoes some of the exact same things that you and I have talked about). Restricted posting access meant that things really dropped off the radar a bit, but they picked back up once you started flogging it again.
kitmizkit on November 7th, 2011 01:18 pm (UTC)
*laughs out loud* $20K is a fair chunk more than any publisher has ever paid me to write a book for /them/. :)
Geek of Weird Shit: statlerwaldorfgows on November 7th, 2011 03:21 pm (UTC)
Well, technically, it'd be what, two novellas, two short stories, a calendar, and a couple of chapters of a non-existent book, right?

Also, bryant is right--you should expect another surge right before the campaign closes. Might as well ride that pony for as far as she'll take you. :D
simplisticwordssimplisticwords on November 7th, 2011 10:42 am (UTC)
see just how damned far this horse will go?

Definitely flog it. It's cute to see a favourite author get excited over something of their own creation, which then allows their readers to get excited about it. :)
Megabitchmegabitch on November 7th, 2011 12:08 pm (UTC)
Now you will know better with future ventures than to think "It'll never get that far!" *g* Looking forward to reading the lot. My TBR pile doesn't come anywhere near ceiling height at the moment (*whisper* that's because most of it is on Kindle and iBooks *shhhhh*).
Bryantbryant on November 7th, 2011 02:26 pm (UTC)
Hm. Can you mitigate any by releasing the second novella as a self-published Kindle book three months or so after delivery to the Kickstarter participants? (I'm assuming Luna has dibs on Walker Papers stuff, but I'm not sure if the second novella has to be Walker Papers or not.) That gives people who didn't contribute at the higher levels a chance to buy in, too, but at a delay, and I'm a big believer in the concept that I (sometimes) pay hardcover prices for the sake of reading the book earlier.

Also: awesome sauce. Flog that sucker up. You're going to get a last minute boost in the last couple of days, so you're almost certainly gonna hit 15K; you might as well see how high you can push it.
kitmizkit on November 8th, 2011 09:30 pm (UTC)
In fact, the likely end-game for all the material is eventual self-published e-releases (unless my publisher decides they want a book of Walker Papers shorts; they have dibs on Jo-POV books, not Gary-or-other-POV shorter stuff). So yeah, in the end I expect it'll all come out to a more than fair wage. It's just learning curve stuff right now, really. :)
Bryantbryant on November 8th, 2011 09:32 pm (UTC)
Coool. Sorry to recommend the obvious; I am just intensely stoked for you.
kitmizkit on November 8th, 2011 09:32 pm (UTC)
Dude, you are ENTIRELY RESPONSIBLE for ALL OF THIS. You may recommend the obvious ALL YOU WANT. :)
Bryantbryant on November 8th, 2011 09:35 pm (UTC)
In that case, allow me to recommend that you get booked on a signing tour which includes Austin. Yep.
kitmizkit on November 8th, 2011 09:35 pm (UTC)
...I would have to do a much larger KS campaign to pay for that. :)
pgwfolcpgwfolc on November 7th, 2011 04:25 pm (UTC)
Probably, as with most things, a combination of factors. You've certainly been enthusiastic and excited about this one. Might help that there are rewards levels this time rather than just "please give what you feel like (don't worry if it's not much!) and you'll get the story." Both of those encouraged me to contribute more than I had in previous efforts, even though I'm more fond of Old Races than Walker Papers (and I've still got a lot of catching up to do where Joanie is concerned).

Anyway, congrats on the success of the project! As problems go, this seems like a good one to have. ;)

I'd heard somewhere (I don't remember - was it you?) that Kickstarter campaigns generally see the most traffic at the beginning and end. So expect a possible uptick in the next few days. An uptick you might just be able to encourage if you remind people that the end is nigh (so to speak).

Sorry I don't have helpful advice. I don't know your end of things. Clearly, you've set the rules and you're sticking by them. Never questioned that. (You also said this was your first Kickstarter and that it would be a learning experience.) I'd think it'd be cool to see how far this will go, but if you're hitting a rewards point that's not cost effective (an honest mistake), and that's enough to worry you then maybe resting on your laurels (not quite the right expression, but it'll have to do) for now is the right call. Though you may still see the end-of-campaign uptick anyway.

Maybe compromise by gently reminding people that the campaign is coming to a close, without flogging it?
kitmizkit on November 8th, 2011 09:35 pm (UTC)
It actually kind of boggles my mind that people are warning me to expect an up-tick in the last few days. It's done so well already it's honestly hard to imagine that there are supporters out there who might still be thinking of donating. o.o
Bryantbryant on November 8th, 2011 09:44 pm (UTC)
I have seen this on a bunch of Kickstarters. People get excited about large numbers and they want to help them get higher. It's like an arcade game. Also, you always get a bunch of people who were putting off the decision, and some of those people decide to donate. Those are the people who want your reminders.
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kitmizkit on November 8th, 2011 09:30 pm (UTC)
Good heavens. I hope for your sake the car doesn't eat the paycheck!
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kitmizkit on November 8th, 2011 09:33 pm (UTC)
T. Revst_rev on November 7th, 2011 10:35 pm (UTC)
There's also the aspect of what the campaign might do to generate interest in your writing, as a story in itself. Is that too meta?
Chrysoulachrysoula on November 8th, 2011 12:42 am (UTC)
This. You're gonna show up here: http://www.kickstarter.com/discover/categories/fiction/most-funded?ref=more#p1 and it seems like the higher you are, the more random people are going to notice and be curious.
T. Revst_rev on November 8th, 2011 03:08 am (UTC)
In fact, it looks like it should be in the middle of that page already.
T. Revst_rev on November 8th, 2011 09:23 pm (UTC)
Looks like you don't get onto that page until the deadline is reached. It's already beaten Tobias Bucknell and Tim Pratt, though.
kitmizkit on November 8th, 2011 09:32 pm (UTC)
It seems that "No Dominion" is landing on the "popular this week" part of the fiction page pretty often, though, which is great.