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05 August 2011 @ 09:10 pm
Seriously, people? *Seriously*?  

There’s been a futher in the comics world. Two of them, in fact.

Futher #1 is that Laurence Fishburne has been cast as Perry White in the new Superman movie.

Futher #2 is that in the Ultimates world, they’ve killed off Peter Parker and the new Spider-Man is Miles Morales, a black/Latino kid.

Both of these things are apparently unforgiveable to a vocal segment of comics fans because PERRY AND SPIDER-MAN ARE WHITE DUDES.

Seriously, people? I mean, really? *Seriously*?

Okay, possibly I’m not the go-to girl on this, because I thought Taye Diggs would make a perfect Gambit (the kid who played Gambit was fine. But Diggs is unspeakably gorgeous and absurdly charming, which in my book are the two most necessary qualifications for Gambit). But *seriously*? There are people out there who don’t think Laurence Freaking Fishburne would be an *awesome* Perry White? OMG. I have never heard such insanity. He’ll be a riot. He’ll be *perfect*.

And as for Spider-Man, excuse me, but WTF? I mean, okay, it’d be one thing if it was Peter Parker ripping off a Mission: Impossible II-style mask and revealing himself as a black man, but come *on*. It’s a brand-new Spidey. It is, for pity’s sake, the *Ultimate* Spider-Man: Spidey in a world that’s meant to be closer to ours, starting around Y2K, than the Marvel Universe dating back to the 60s. And people are whinging because Spidey’s not a skinny white kid from Queens?

I would say I’m speechless, except I’m obviously not. I just, I mean, Jesus, wow. These people are not living on the same planet I am. Or perhaps more accurately, I sort of wish they weren’t…

(x-posted from the essential kit)
Alix (Tersa): Xmen - Cyclops (after-four-days)tersa on August 5th, 2011 08:41 pm (UTC)
I <3 you.

Also, 100% agree with you.
Miss May: brand madnessvalancymay on August 5th, 2011 08:53 pm (UTC)
Also, Jesus was a white guy.
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kitmizkit on August 5th, 2011 08:58 pm (UTC)
I just can't help thinking that I bet the same guys who are shrieking about this stuff also really like the Fast & Furious movies...
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kitmizkit on August 5th, 2011 09:04 pm (UTC)
You do. And make sure to watch through at least the first segment of credits. :)
Xixpioti on August 5th, 2011 09:02 pm (UTC)
Evil woman, now I'm going to be thinking lustful thoughts about Taye Diggs in Gambit's duster. *impish grin* (Which means: I couldn't agree with you more, he'd be an excellent Gambit.)
silcristsilcrist on August 5th, 2011 09:52 pm (UTC)
I agree that Laurence Fishburne will make an excellent Perry White.

I do think, however, that there's more to the new Spiderman issue (for some people, at least) than it just being racist. I know some folks are just upset that the Ultimate line's Peter Parker isn't going to be Spidey anymore. And to a number of people, the way that Marvel has handled the creation and announcement of the new Spiderman just comes off feeling a lot more like a publicity stunt than interest in telling good, new stories about a character who's a minority.

It doesn't matter at all to me whether the new Spidey's black or latino or white or male or female or straight or gay. It matters to me that they tell interesting stories, which is too early to tell yet. But it would have made things a lot more 'organic' and less 'publicity stunt' if, for example, it had been a pre-existing character in the Ultimate universe rather than someone created from whole cloth that can be held up as an example of how hip and multicultural Marvel is.
Amandatreehugginhippy on August 5th, 2011 10:08 pm (UTC)
This drives me absolutely CRAZY!! What bugs me even more is that, 9 times out of 10, if there's someone of any color other than pinky-white on the screen (little OR big), it's because the part was written SPECIFICALLY to be "colorized." If a part is not race-specific, then the default state is, apparently, white. WTF? Why are minority actors pigeonholed so badly? I go out of my way to support movies and TV shows where there are minority characters that didn't necessarily have to be. Shawshank Redemption was one -- actually, the character of Red was, in the King story, actually a red-headed Irish guy.

Almost everything that has a minority actor makes a point of it being a minority character -- something ALWAYS has to get said about it. And this is the kind of thing that keeps a racial divide, if not out-and-out racism. When your media constantly draws attention to a character's skin as "different" then how are people supposed to find a "normal"?
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Sinanjusinanju on August 6th, 2011 04:29 am (UTC)
The thing is, if the deal-with-a-devil-making douchebag currently posing as Spider-Man in the "real" Marvel universe had been replaced by Miles Morales, I'd be cheering.

But "Ultimate" Spidey was a much more interesting, sympathetic character. Killing him off was unnecessary and uncalled-for.

Plus, you know, this is comics. EVERYBODY comes back eventually. Without fail. In which case, the minority guy will be pushed aside (politely or otherwise) to make room for the REAL (white) Spider-Man.
Idealist Trapped in a Cynical World: blog against racismparadisacorbasi on August 6th, 2011 09:32 am (UTC)
I pointed out that this is not even the first time a superhero has had somebody different put on the costume and take the name...

Wonder Woman? Nobody complained because the Amazon who took over for a while was white.

Batman? Both times it's happened with Azrael and with Dick Grayson -- both times a white guy.

Flash? Wally West and aged-to-adulthood Bart Allen? White guys.

Nobody complained like they're complaining about this.

And Miles Morales is not even the first person to put on the Spidey Suit and take the name.

First was Miguel O'Hara -- Spidey 2099 -- and he was biracial too: half Mexican, half Irish.

and then Ben Reilly -- who was a clone.

People are -- for want of a better term -- showing their true colors when they flip out about stuff like this.

Kari Sperringla_marquise_de_ on August 6th, 2011 10:22 am (UTC)
Absolutely. The new Spidey sounds awesome, frankly. And Laurence Fishburne will be superb.
ionaonieionaonie on August 6th, 2011 12:45 pm (UTC)
I hadn't heard that Laurence Fishburne was going to be Perry White. That is AWESOME. He can only be amazing!!!

Do you remember when people started suggesting Donald Glover as the new Spiderman and people got all up in arms about it? Well, apparently, that was what led the Ultimates writers to go with a biracial Spiderman.

And, you know, if Kingpin and Nick Fury can be successful (and freaking awesome) as black guys, I don't see how Spiderman or Perry White should be any different.
kit: xmen_hadmefromhellomizkit on August 6th, 2011 12:47 pm (UTC)
I got so totally on board with Samuel L Jackson a black dude as Nick Fury that I get whiplash when the original Fury shows up in the normal timeline. Every time I'm like "uh, what's that white guy doing as the head of SHIE--oh yeah."
ionaonieionaonie on August 6th, 2011 01:37 pm (UTC)
Oh, I'm the same. Samuel L Jackson just IS Nick Fury, that seeing him look any other way is just weird.
roseaponiroseaponi on August 6th, 2011 12:54 pm (UTC)
Ooh, I like Lawrence Fishburne. I can see him as Perry.
Did you know the Incredible Hulk was originally conceptualized as being gray, but because of tinting consistency issues, he was changed to green? Or so I heard ;)
As for Miles Morales, I hope it goes well - I can see where it would be an awesome character development point, and also where it could go horribly wrong.
As for the uproar itself, well, it's sad that certain jerks with access to the Internet have no life and must devote their misguided energy to freaking out over this.
Flitterbyflit on August 12th, 2011 03:55 am (UTC)
Man, I'd be delighted if they cast Laurence Fishburne as ME in the movie of my life! It's Laurence Freaking Fishburne!!!
Andrea Blytheblythe025 on August 16th, 2011 05:12 pm (UTC)
Personally, I'm stoked that there opting for this. If they play their roles well, then I'm thrilled. It's awesome.

Actually, up until hearing about these casting choices, I've been annoyed with the new Spiderman. (Why remake the thing so soon?!) But knowing that they are choosing POC for main roles makes me more interested in the movie. Not less.