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20 July 2011 @ 04:34 pm
princesses  

There’s a “World of Princesses” at the Ambassador Theatre here in Dublin. I realize it’s probably ridiculous, but every time I see it I get pissed off. “For every girl who’s ever wanted to be a princess,” it says, and yes, okay, fair enough, I too wanted to be a princess at times. But it still just annoys the crap out of me, because every time I see it I think “I’m betting it doesn’t address–for example–Diana’s anorexia, Masako’s depression, male-only primogeniture, “Waity Katie”, as Kate Middleton was nicknamed as they waited to get married so nobody could accuse them of making Charles & Diana’s mistakes, or the scrutiny that even in liberal Norway was put upon the commoner who their crown prince had the audacity to fall in love with, because she was a single mother and the kid’s father had been convicted of some kind of drug-related offense–”

And those are just the princesses I know something about in the real current world, nevermind historically getting married off at birth or before to old men in order to secure a treaty, and–*strangled noises*

(x-posted from the essential kit)
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Mary Annepers1stence on July 20th, 2011 01:17 pm (UTC)
There were even rumors, although they may have just been rumors, that she tried to leave the country but they took away her passport long enough to make her re-think....*erk*
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Mary Annepers1stence on July 20th, 2011 01:44 pm (UTC)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charlene,_Princess_of_Monaco#Marriage

Reports of the rumor were in the Daily Mail (UK) and Telegraph (UK) and Washington Post.

I also find it vaguely woeful on my own behalf that I actually know that, esp as I had zero interest in the wedding aside from looking at pictures of the clothes afterwards (she wore pants to the civil ceremony although she wore a dress to the religious portion of the event)
Autopopeautopope on July 20th, 2011 12:11 pm (UTC)
I like to define "princess" as the juvenile stage in the life cycle of the incubator of a parasitic hereditary despotism.

There's nothing like calling a spade a shovel of specific dimensions to expose its ugliness, is there?

(Also: "a bunch of flowers" is "a collection of reproductive organs amputated from hermaphrodites".)
Xixpioti on July 20th, 2011 10:04 pm (UTC)
I like how you think! I usually refer to "a bouquet of flowers" as "compost", personally. :)
Mary Annepers1stence on July 20th, 2011 12:45 pm (UTC)
*gah* I'm with you on this one....so often the fictional tropes are pretty ugly, too, full of feminine passivity, damsels-in-distress, need-a-man-and-babies-to-be-complete ideas, pointless sacrificial notions.
Chrysoulachrysoula on July 20th, 2011 12:48 pm (UTC)
Yes! I was thinking about the self-sacrifice encouraged by the princess motif, and trying to construct an animated film that explored that thoughtfully.
Chrysoulachrysoula on July 20th, 2011 12:46 pm (UTC)
I think part of the problem is that everybody feels like it's important to make any cinematic girl hero a princess. I was trying to figure out if I went through a princess stage and realized I certainly went through a Princess Leia stage. I mean, Disney even lumps Mulan in with the Disney Princesses, possibly under the slogan 'every girl is a princess!' Which I guess translates to 'every girl is the star of her own life!' which is sweet and all but... does ignore the truth that a princess is basically very valuable state property. State property adorned with pretty dresses and lovely jewelry and indulged as long as they behave within acceptable standards. The ideal little girl!
Xixpioti on July 20th, 2011 10:06 pm (UTC)
And this is why my daughter is only a princess when she's playing dressup. When she's gadding about in jeans, making me crazy with her insane antics (she's been to the ER twice), she's a queen.
Mary Annepers1stence on July 20th, 2011 12:50 pm (UTC)
at least Leia and Mulan actually have some active ownership of their lives. Arielle, Snow White, Cinderella, Sleeping Beauty are all passively waiting for their man to be charmed by their looks, in the most literal sense (only Cinderella even TALKS to her man first).
GM Ceosanna: Beastceosanna on July 20th, 2011 04:22 pm (UTC)
This is why I love jimhines' Princess series. It's a refreshing (rather kick-ass) take on these fairy tale princesses.
Geek of Weird Shit: fireygows on July 20th, 2011 08:59 pm (UTC)
I can't remember the artist right now, but I saw a series of pictures of "the other side" of various Disney princesses--Belle on the operating table, marked for plastic surgery; Snow White with a child on her hip and her prince watching TV; Cinderella as an alcoholic in a seedy bar. Very memorable.
Mary Annepers1stence on July 20th, 2011 12:52 pm (UTC)
even the heroine of the Princess Bride waffles between passivity and fatalism (as much as I absolutely adore that movie).
kitmizkit on July 20th, 2011 03:28 pm (UTC)
To be fair, Buttercup in the movie is actually a bit brighter than Buttercup in the book, who Goldman deliberately wrote as being not the brightest, er, buttercup, in the bunch. I have the vague belief Wesley wasn't actually all that smart either, but I could be wrong. :)
The Bellinghmanbellinghman on July 20th, 2011 01:29 pm (UTC)
And when I see in a car window one of those signs which says 'Princess On Board', I get this awful urge to chuck a brick.
martianmooncrabmartianmooncrab on July 20th, 2011 02:04 pm (UTC)
I have a handicap tag for my car, so I get to use what I call the "Princess Parking" spot at stores. Because I am speshul!
anthony_lionanthony_lion on July 20th, 2011 02:49 pm (UTC)
Actually, not only was the father of the Crown princess' child convicted of a drug charge, but she has publically admitted that she has used drugs herself. (Most of us like that she's so honest even if wedon't like what she has done. As long as it stays history, we won't complain. )


Our other princess...
Runs a school where she teaches the gullible to communicate with angels.
Not exactly popular with most of the public(and ridiculed in quite a few comics), but it also clashes with the Church.
(The Evangelical-Lutheran church we have doesn't say much about speaking TO angels, but getting answers... Not supposed to happen.)
Her husband, Ari Behn would have been considered a 'dandy' in earlier times, pranching about with a godawful goatee, writing and publishing boring writings.

Traveler Farlandertwfarlan on July 20th, 2011 03:07 pm (UTC)
Selling the fantasy, not the reality. Even if you ignore briefly the idea that setting those expectations with little girls only leads to psychological barriers and emotional issues in adulthood, even the sincere desire that all little girls could grow up into a real-life version of the fantasy doesn't do them any favors.
Geek of Weird Shit: fireygows on July 20th, 2011 09:00 pm (UTC)
I think of it as the SCA version.
Traveler Farlandertwfarlan on July 21st, 2011 09:34 am (UTC)
Sounds more like the NERO version, to me.
Geek of Weird Shit: statlerwaldorfgows on July 22nd, 2011 11:30 am (UTC)
NERO?
Traveler Farlandertwfarlan on July 23rd, 2011 02:12 pm (UTC)
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Geek of Weird Shit: fireygows on July 20th, 2011 08:56 pm (UTC)
I like the last one . . . :D
Xixpioti on July 20th, 2011 10:03 pm (UTC)
And here I was, thinking you were going to post about Disney's upcoming John Carter movie. *hugs* I suspect this is at least in part why well-behaved women rarely make history; "good girls" don't talk about their problems, lest it disturb their menfolk. :P
Cymru Llewescymrullewes on July 21st, 2011 11:30 am (UTC)
Disturb their menfolk? Bah. In case their menfolk decide to try and SOLVE their problems for them.