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09 May 2010 @ 07:49 pm
fan fic  

GRRM has a great post about the emotions of fan fiction. He has two posts preceding it about fan fic itself and I’m sure they’re also great, but I haven’t got the intellectual capacity to read them now and fear I never might.

(x-posted from the essential kit)
pgwfolcpgwfolc on May 9th, 2010 07:29 pm (UTC)
Nothing to do with fic, sorry if that's rude. I've been out of that game for a couple of years now (just sort of fell out of the habit). But I did want to take the opportunity to say:

Happy (first) Mother's Day!! :)

(Is it also Mother's Day on your side of the pond?)
Megabitchmegabitch on May 9th, 2010 07:58 pm (UTC)
Mothering Sunday in Europe is the fourth Sunday of Lent (so in March usually) - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mothering_Sunday
Lady Doomlithera on May 9th, 2010 09:48 pm (UTC)
When you're back up and around it is something that has made me do a lot of thinking.

*hugs* I hope you've had a great day, m'dear.
UrsulaVursulav on May 10th, 2010 12:14 am (UTC)

I've come around to a middle ground. I think that there's a lot to what he says, particularly the legal elements, but at the same time, I feel fanfic really does have some very valuable stuff going for it, and I've learned a lot from reading it (and yes, even writing it on occasion.)

I also think the people who dismiss fanfic as horribly bad for you and writing it is horrible and lazy and you should be ashamed because it's not real writing and why aren't you writing your own universe AT ALL TIMES are kinda missing the point--rather like the people who screamed that nobody should play Guitar Hero, they should go learn to play a real musical instrument, because this isn't "real" guitar playing. ("Stop having fun!" as an XKCD once said.) Reading some of those arguments makes me want to go "Well, god forbid we should amuse ourselves occasionally without it being something we can sell to a publisher!"

I don't know. I think it's like religion--my belief tends to vary in inverse proportion to the most obnoxious person in the room at any given moment. GRRM gets major props for being sane and calm and not obnoxious about it.

And at the end of the day, author wishes trumps all. Thou shalt not fic the unwilling. I could wish THAT, at least, went without saying.
Megabitchmegabitch on May 10th, 2010 10:53 am (UTC)
As I said in my comment to the post that has been linked, he put his finger on why I just can't read fanfic. It's not fun for me. I don't understand why some of my friends who do write fanfic get so much enjoyment from it, but I don't begrudge them that enjoyment - they don't understand the enjoyment I get from playing World of Warcraft*, after all :) I do wonder what their own worlds and characters would be like if they were to turn their energies in that direction and I am sorry that, for the most part, I will never find out.

*yes, this is me playing about in someone else's world with a character (or twelve) that I have created within it.
UrsulaVursulav on May 10th, 2010 05:55 pm (UTC)
Thing is....not everybody that plays Guitar Hero and enjoys it is missing out on their future career as a rock star. (I can say with absolute authority that I'm not--but I'll still pick up a fake guitar at parties occasionally)

A lot of people who write fan fic may go on to write great novels with great characters set in their own worlds. Lots have. Lots more will.

But y'know, lots won't, and I'd bet a coupla bucks that there's a fair number of fan fic writers who derive intense enjoyment from it who aren't any more cut out to write their own worlds and characters than I am to be a rock star. But their enjoyment and satisfaction is no less valid for the fact that it's not a stepping stone to anything else.

Sometimes it's okay to just have fun with stuff without having any desire to make a career out of it. And that's an argument that I feel gets lost in some of these debates--when you get people who seem to think that the only possible valid writing is that which you plan to publish someday, and just noodling around for your own amusement and those of other fans is somehow a bad and shameful thing.
roseaponiroseaponi on May 10th, 2010 12:32 am (UTC)
Happy Mothers Day from me, too :)

As for fan fic, well... I prolly oughta read the article. :) But I do daydream fan fic a lot, and eventually, I end up changing the characters and milieu enough to where it's purely my fiction by the time I write it down.

Good stories are good stories - you can get ideas wherever you like, but the interpretation of them is what makes a writer.
rfrancis on May 10th, 2010 01:01 am (UTC)
The post about emotions aside, when you do get around to the posts about copyright and so on, I commend to your attention nihilistic_kid's, eh, rebuttal (not to mention the interest relatively recent decisions by Jim Butcher and Mercedes Lackey, at least, to condone fan fiction if it's properly Creative Commons-ized.)
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SaffronRosesaffronrose on May 10th, 2010 04:53 am (UTC)
It's milkbrain, or new-mother-exhaustion-brain, and it WILL go away eventually. You WILL get your brain back, except for remembering your family's individual names correctly. Don't know why--but many moms have this disorder.

It's not as bad as the fog I had on one med, nor as annoying as menopause/(just?)postmenopause, when I have to go around sideways to get to a word I should know down pat.

Enough sleep will clear the cobwebs.
Megabitchmegabitch on May 10th, 2010 10:55 am (UTC)
My M-I-L calls if CRAFT (Can't Remember a Fucking Thing). It's also a side effect of fibromyalgia (well, of any long-term chronic pain problem, really). So, there's me with fibro and early menopause and with a thesaurus constantly within reach because I can never remember the fucking word I want! *argh* I can only hope that it gets a bit easier once the menopause ends - even if the fibro continues forever.
Flitterbyflit on May 10th, 2010 01:09 pm (UTC)
The fibro fog comes and goes for me so it'll probably get easier once you're through menopause.

I have gotten some HILARIOUS word transpositions though. My favorite was when I wanted a hamachi roll from sushi and asked very clearly in writing for a wasabi roll.
SaffronRosesaffronrose on May 12th, 2010 09:03 pm (UTC)
MY MiL calls it Halfheimer's.
My longterm chronic problem is depression, or since I was properly dx'd in 2001, bipolar disorder II/NOS/cyclothymia/you guess. The depression lowers your IQ and otherwise rots your brain.

I am lucky in that I seem to have my thesaurus in my head, but it takes a while to access it. I know a few folk with FM. You have my sympathy, as does anyone living with constant pain.
mayakdamayakda on May 10th, 2010 12:47 pm (UTC)
Belated Happy Mother's Day!!!

Intellectual capacity will return. Lolz. Felt that way the first few months after both babies.
Flitterbyflit on May 10th, 2010 01:12 pm (UTC)
This is going to sound a little weird but I think of fan fiction as lit crit from an inside-out perspective. A lot of fan fiction actually applies similar analysis to what goes into a critical essay, except from a very different angle.

However I think if an author has stated they don't want to be fic'ed, it's rude to do so. (Or at least to do so in public, for people who just can't resist.)