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15 July 2009 @ 10:03 pm
toxic avenger  

I was reading an article about cupping (where they put a heated glass bubble on your back & create a vacuum to draw out toxins) which claimed that you only bruise if you have lots of toxins, and that in the worst case scenario the bruises will fade in about five days.

If that is the case, I must be the Toxic fricking Avenger, man. I should have *superpowers*, dammit.

Also, Harry Potter was perfectly fine. It’s a Harry Potter movie. :)

miles to Minas Tirith: 466.5

(x-posted from the essential kit)
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Wolf Lahti: Sabrinawolflahti on July 15th, 2009 09:28 pm (UTC)
Toxin levels and broken capillaries may have some connection, but I don't think the correlation is very high.
The Bellinghmanbellinghman on July 15th, 2009 10:02 pm (UTC)
Well, how else are you going to get the toxins out, if not by breaking down the cellular walls? I mean, the skin is actually pretty waterproof - witness the way the blood tends to stay on the inside - and it's not as though your average molecule of toxin is smaller than a water molecule.

(Or is it? I mean, they very carefully never actually explain what the toxins are. So maybe we're all suffering helium-3 poisoning? The detox industry is populated by frauds though, so I suspect that's not actually the case.)

No, I suspect that cupping is merely yet another in the long line of woo treatments that does nothing beneficial in itself, but that just gives the excuse to relax while being pampered. If it's done too hard, and it causes actual physical damage, then it should be stopped: any practitioner who keeps going and talks about 'toxins being drawn out' when there is heavy bruising should be strapped to a large lump of concrete and dropped in the Liffey at low tide.

Please pardon the rant, but these guys extract billions from people's purses that could better be spent on healthcare. In extreme cases, as in South Africa, they're responsible for hundreds of thousands of people dying.
Mr. Flonkflonkflonkcarneggy on July 15th, 2009 09:37 pm (UTC)
Was noone available to apply leeches instead?
Cyrano: Wikipediacyranocyrano on July 15th, 2009 09:53 pm (UTC)
And witches only float because their sin causes the water to reject them. q:
Use your powers only for good.
Ghost Light: Satchellghost_light on July 15th, 2009 09:56 pm (UTC)
I had that done on my back a couple times - I had perfectly circular bruises for about a week. My husband said I looked like a ladybug.
kitmizkit on July 16th, 2009 08:08 am (UTC)
My husband thought I looked like I'd been beaten with an enormous wiffle ball. :)
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Aidangingereejit on July 15th, 2009 10:51 pm (UTC)
Actually, leeches have a really useful role in modern medicine, as do maggots (Not kidding, honest to god, useful but euughh :-)
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hegemony hedgehogagrimony on July 16th, 2009 12:44 am (UTC)
They use leeches and maggots in modern medicine still. Maggots will eat dead tissue and leave live tissue alone, letting live tissue have a clean environment in which to grow.

Leeches are used in to control swelling and to drain blood from areas that are prone to clotting, as well as being used by people who have conditions that require regular bleeding to maintain health.

It's gross, but really really interesting.

Of course, we're talking about sterile maggots and leeches, even if that sounds like an oxymoron. :)
sammywolsammywol on July 16th, 2009 08:26 am (UTC)
Gotta be sure you have the right kind of maggots. Plenty of maggots much prefer living flesh which is not what you want in an infected wound.
Michellesilkblade on July 16th, 2009 08:53 am (UTC)
I read an article about using leeches to drain the blood that pools under skin grafts. It was pretty cool.

We "bleed" people at the blood center too (usually for polycethemia vera, too many RBCs). I don't think we actually get to use the blood we get from therapeutic phlebotomy patients though.

Also, my mom used to do something similar to cupping: A small amount of suction in a small glass with well-oiled skin and you move the glass around to give the massage.

Have you seen those little footpads that supposedly bring out toxins while you sleep?
kitmizkit on July 16th, 2009 08:07 am (UTC)
It's a Chinese doctor practicing Chinese medicine, so it's an entirely different school of action. :) Anyway, he hasn't done it since I told him not to, I've just been meaning to make the Toxic Avenger comment for weeks. :)
The Bellinghmanbellinghman on July 16th, 2009 09:23 am (UTC)
Thank goodness!
Bryantbryant on July 15th, 2009 10:45 pm (UTC)
You don't have superpowers? Disappointment.
kitmizkit on July 16th, 2009 08:04 am (UTC)
I know. I'm sorry. :)
Aidangingereejit on July 15th, 2009 10:57 pm (UTC)
See, i always figured that writing like 4 books a year figured as a superpower :-)
kitmizkit on July 16th, 2009 08:39 am (UTC)
...I hadn't thought of it that way. But I want to be able to FLY!
The Bellinghmanbellinghman on July 16th, 2009 09:24 am (UTC)
But you can. Scheduled only, admittedly, but keep exercising your existing superpower, and who knows, a private jet might happen.
Karina: Enchanted Lightcreamnsugar on July 16th, 2009 12:24 am (UTC)
Woot CoH!
T. Revst_rev on July 16th, 2009 01:15 am (UTC)
"If you don't like what our super-duper magic treatment does to you, it's YOUR FAULT."
The Renaissance Manunixronin on July 16th, 2009 03:05 am (UTC)
I think I'd want to say, "OK, show me the toxins." If only to see them get flustered when they try to explain why there aren't any visible toxins in the glass whatsit yet there's still a bruise.
kitmizkit on July 16th, 2009 08:04 am (UTC)
I'm pretty sure my Chinese doctor doesn't have enough English to understand "show me the toxins", nevermind get flustered. :)
sammywolsammywol on July 16th, 2009 08:24 am (UTC)
Why not go the whole hog and plump for auto-trepanation? It has as much 'science' behind it as bloody cupping and will get you on more talk shows.
kitmizkit on July 16th, 2009 08:40 am (UTC)
Y'know, I thought I was being funny. I sort of expected more superhero commentary and less vitriol over cupping. Huh. :)
sammywolsammywol on July 16th, 2009 08:53 am (UTC)
There was a freaky early SF story called 'Rappaccini's's Daughter' written by Nathaniel Hawthorne about a man who feeds his daughter poisons until she is herself the prefect toxin and will kill any man who comes near her except the perfect man - and he expects to choose said perfect man. Things don't quite work out.

Toxic Avenger sounds cooler though!
Janne: cityofHeroesjanne on July 16th, 2009 10:38 am (UTC)
Must admit, the sheer thought of cupping has me wincing too bad to even attempt humor...
kitmizkit on July 16th, 2009 10:59 am (UTC)
It doesn't /hurt/. It kind of stings some. But it does leave hideous marks. :)