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05 July 2009 @ 04:22 pm
X-Men continuity  

Cut, because although I know at least a handful of people will click through, largely I cannot imagine this is of interest to anyone but myself. :)

Okay, so having read Whedon’s run on ASTONISHING X-MEN (which was by and large all right; liner notes suggest I can’t hold Colossus’s return against him because, unsurprisingly, Marvel asked him to bring him back), I have gone to the internet with grim determination to figure out What To Read Next.

Turns out Whedon’s run, at least, takes place largely outside the rest of the X-Men continuity. This is because 1. Whedon apparently doesn’t like major crossover events (which I can sympathize with) and 2. there were so many delays between issues that it would’ve been really hard to keep up anyway. So it perhaps wasn’t especially useful in terms of X continuity, but Kitty Pryde’s story was…really very good, so I’m glad I read it. I’ve no idea if Warren Ellis’s ASTONISHING is within or without the continuity, but I’ll pick it up when there’s a 12-issue hardback out.

However, starting here did at least give me a place to begin, so it was worth doing. The storyline more or less concurrent to Whedon’s ASTONISHING is HOUSE OF M, which I’ve read parts of. There’s a hardcover out that collects the main X-Men storyline there, so I’ll need to pick that up. Then it’s followed by DECIMATION, DEADLY GENESIS, ENDANGERED SPECIES, MESSIAH COMPLEX (which is in turn followed by the DIVIDED WE STAND storylines, which are apparently none of them an actual major story arc in themselves), and the evidently on-going MESSIAH WAR.

This does not take into account anything with CIVIL WAR, SECRET INVASION, or DARK REIGN, which are all major crossover events that have happened in the past five years, which I will probably try to sort out later. Nor does it deal with the pre-Wedon, pre-HOUSE OF M Grant Morrison run, because although I appreciate many people feel otherwise, Frank Quitely’s art makes my eyes bleed, and I cannot tell one character from another when Chris Bachalo is at the artistic helm. And also because I generally loathed the storylines, so I have no desire to re-visit them. (Besides, I know essentially what happened. Scott did Emma. Sentinel did Genosha. Cassandra Nova did Xavier. Jean died. Again. I think that about sums it up….)

Anyway, so there I am. I do kind of wish I was in the States so I could justify writing off dozens of graphic novels as a business expense…:)

(x-posted from the essential kit)

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Pamela: House - brain hurtsjeditigger on July 5th, 2009 03:28 pm (UTC)
HA. It IS! It's research!

I might try House of M. The only X stuff I've read in ages is Whedon's, which I enjoyed, though I'm now wading through way too much Bat material and trying to accept what's happened there.

Speaking of...did you know Paul Dini's writing two titles now? :)

I admit being fascinated by what you're reading, though. I do have a love for the X-Men though wallowing in X-angst bothers the crap out of me sometimes, and we won't even go into how much I hate the Scott-Emma dynamic. So if you find something good, pass it along. Because I really don't need to see the same old same old all over again.
kit: xmen_killyouwithmybrainmizkit on July 5th, 2009 03:41 pm (UTC)
I actually like the Scott-Emma dynamic quite a lot, partly for its entirely fucked-up nature. I like the exploitation of Scott's weakness for telepaths, I like the fact that Emma, who is not and never will be a good person, actually fell in love with the boy scout, I like that with every page I turn I still don't trust the relationship. It's at least a "something changed" story, which was never, ever going to happen with Scott and Jean, although I don't care much for how they dealt with Jean's death WRT the storyline.

I'll no doubt keep posting as I get and read the next storylines, never fear. :)
Alana Joli Abbottalanajoli on July 6th, 2009 07:45 pm (UTC)
You might really want to follow the Dark Reign set if you did the Emma storyline, because Dark Reign's X-Men plot is all about Emma. I got frustrated with the "we're moving to San Francisco where we can be a really obvious metaphor!" thing (because I'd thought the metaphor was pretty explicit before!) and so hadn't been following Manifest Destiny, and therefore didn't pick up the first Dark Reign stuff that ended up being in both arcs. I kind of wish I had now.
kitmizkit on July 6th, 2009 07:46 pm (UTC)
Yeah, I'll read it when I catch up to that point. I'm kind of looking forward to it. :)
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kit: xmen_happyendingmizkit on July 5th, 2009 03:43 pm (UTC)
Yeah, I've actually read all the main stories for all three of those, although my memories of HOUSE OF M are slightly unclear (but it turns out I've got the softcover GN, so I may re-read that this afternoon). I don't think I've read anything X in its entirety from *after* HOUSE OF M, though, so that's evidently where I need to really pick up.

CIVIL WAR was pretty good right up until they COMPLETELY COPPED OUT at the end. :p
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kitmizkit on July 5th, 2009 03:49 pm (UTC)
I'll make a note of it. :)
tammy_mooretammy_moore on July 5th, 2009 04:07 pm (UTC)
Agents of Atlas and Hercules would be current favourites, although Planet Hulk was a brilliant storyline when it was running.

I think I'm one of the few who actually really liked Secret War (although it doesn't have a huge impact on X-continuity really)despite the faint shades of cop out.
Alana Joli Abbottalanajoli on July 6th, 2009 07:47 pm (UTC)
Incredible Hercules has been amazing. I've been borrowing it from a friend, so I'm behind now, but the way they're mixing the Greek storyline and the modern storyline has been awesome.
das_uberdas_uber on July 7th, 2009 02:03 am (UTC)
I'd echo the rec for Planet Hulk, and everything else written by Greg Pak. Magneto: Testament is spectacular.

Amusingly, gianetta is starting to get into X-Men comics. I started her off on God Loves, Man Kills ... I'm floundering a bit about where to head next.
Alana Joli Abbottalanajoli on July 6th, 2009 07:47 pm (UTC)
Hmmmm... I hadn't seen Cap's surrender as a total cop out; I think it would have been interesting to see what would have happened after if he hadn't been shot (but then, we may get to see that, what, next year, since they're talking about how he's coming back? It's Marvel; no one stays dead).
kit: ironman_abouttoblowmizkit on July 6th, 2009 07:49 pm (UTC)
I thought Tony should've killed him. I really felt that was where the story was going, and I really felt like they flinched where they shouldn't have. And then to make up for it they killed him in like the next issue ZOMG THE SHOCK blblblfffft :)
Kate Kirbykirbyk on July 5th, 2009 04:10 pm (UTC)
Hmm, recent X-Stuff.

X-Factor is the only one I've been reading consistently for a long time. It's Peter David, so very consistently good.

I'm currently subscribed to Uncanny, and I like it. The move to San Francisco basically works (in this title), and it feels like classic X-Men, not the ultra-dark or ultra-violent stuff that a lot of writers like to do. (Ahem, the recent version of X-Force.)

I've sampled most of the other titles and dropped them recently.

In the slightly longer ago, I liked the various New X-Men/New Mutants run. A bit out of the X-Space, Runaways is also a lot of fun. And as long as you're shopping for graphic novels, don't forget Buffy Season 8!
T. Revst_rev on July 5th, 2009 04:10 pm (UTC)
I'll read anything Grant Morrison or Warren Ellis do, pretty much, but I haven't been able to sustain the notion of the "Marvel 'Universe'" (double attack quotes, raar) as a in-some-sense-actually-existing, unitary place for many years. It's more like some anime: these characters in this book have the same names as those characters in that book, but they aren't really meaningfully connected.
irishkateirishkate on July 5th, 2009 04:36 pm (UTC)
writing off against taxes right? So you would have to PAY taxes to write them off - but you live in Ireland...
(Anonymous) on July 5th, 2009 05:43 pm (UTC)
Juat some kid from the web
1st I would recommend X-tream X-men Storm leading the team and not a hole lot of classic x-men to muck through. 2nd is exiles the 2000-2006 about re-boot this is the good stuff its like sliders in the marvel setting. 3rd and last the new Cris Claremont X-men forever just started and is going to be Huge, Just realized all the stuff I am recommending is Chris Claremont or influenced by him I hope you like him.

kitmizkit on July 5th, 2009 08:40 pm (UTC)
Re: Juat some kid from the web
Yep, I've got all the X-Treme stuff, most of which I enjoyed. I've read bits of the Exiles here and there and think it's one of the best things Marvel's done lately, but I haven't picked them all up. And sadly, though generally I like Claremont a lot, I didn't at all care for the storytelling choice in the second XMF, so I'm likely to wait for trade before I read any more of that...
Lady Doomlithera on July 5th, 2009 05:36 pm (UTC)

I am going to this place. Perhaps you have heard of it? Graphic novels are there a plenty and cheaply. Would you like to give me a list? I would be more than happy to go searching for you. I'm mostly up to date on X-stuff (though Uncanny sort of makes my brain hurt with Maddy coming back but not fully coming back and ressurecting Psylocke but really Kwannon and.... Yeah.)

Most of Morrison's run (other than Jean being dead) has mostly been swept to the side. His good ideas (and there were a number) I wish had been kept but have mostly bee sort of shoved by the wayside. And I love Bachalo so very much. As for Warren's Astonishing run, it is tied in a /little/ more directly but is still mostly outside of the rest of the titles. It is delightfully cracky and sad and surprising...

I liked the idea of both House of M AND Civil War but I thought the execution was poor at best. (House of M - too many mutants and we don't want to make them mainstream, so back into the box! Hated and feared! Hated and feared!) (Civil War - Crap, a lot of people who aren't mutants have powers too! They could, like, hurt us! LOOK! THEY DID! EVERYONE REGISTER! NOW! The best part of Civil war, for me, was when Tony came to the mansion to ask them to register and Emma told him we've been fighting that for years now, thanks for catching up and to fuck off.)

Edited at 2009-07-05 05:37 pm (UTC)
LurkerWithoutlurkerwithout on July 5th, 2009 08:31 pm (UTC)
I used to follow every X-Book I could in the 90s but dropped them right after Age of Apocalypse. Since then I've tried getting back in at various points but nothing has really clicked with me. And I'm one of the few people who disliked the writing on Morrison's X-Men run...

I did discover X-Men First Class by Jeff Parker and Wolverine First Class by Fred Van Lente. Both excellent series set in the early days of the original X-Men and the "international" team. Both great runs, but I'm not sure if they're collected in trade yet...
Alana Joli Abbottalanajoli on July 6th, 2009 07:43 pm (UTC)
I didn't follow X-Men during Civil War, but the collected just-Civil-War-issues (not the bazillion crossovers) are, imho, some of the most innovative stuff that's gone on in comics lately (until Joey Q reversed the stuff that was really interesting and changed the playing field by having Pete and MJ make a deal with the devil, but whatever--that's post Civil War). I followed a ton of Secret Invasion, and the X-Men arc was worth reading, but overall, it the event got to be too big and too looming, and really, nothing changed at the end except in the Ironman story line (so if you're not following that, SI is totally skippable).
Alana Joli Abbottalanajoli on July 6th, 2009 07:49 pm (UTC)
*And by "in comics," I mean in mainstream comics. There's a lot of awesome stuff going on in the indies that's innovative in a completely different way.
kitmizkit on July 6th, 2009 07:51 pm (UTC)
aaah, I'm not the one who'll get in a throwdown with you over that phraseology. :)