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13 June 2008 @ 08:37 pm
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Marith made a comment yesterday about fish not noticing water, with regards to me and how much/what I do. I tend to think if I can do it, it must not be all that impressive, really, and that anybody can do it.

I’ve been thinking about that the last couple days in the context of writing music. No, I haven’t begun writing music. I haven’t got the foggiest idea how, not music nor lyrics. Instead I boggle at how musicians can evoke emotion and tell stories in three minutes with a repeating chorus, and wonder how the hell they do that. I’d *love* to be able to write music. I just wouldn’t even know where to start.

Presumably there are people who feel this way about writing books. It’s an interesting thought.

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J.K.Richárdneutronjockey on June 13th, 2008 04:48 pm (UTC)
You've already got the percussion instrument...
I'd start with the foundation of music theory which is (IMO) rhythm.

You've got a natural drum beat already: your heart. It beats a steady (we hope!) pace; a nice 1-2, 3-4 every measure. It's tempo might change but the 1-2, 3-4 stays consistent.

Call cadence while you run.

Listen to the clock tick.

Righ now you're just lacking the 'language' to describe music. Like writing the language comes with practice and observance.

Rhythm is king.
-peartreealley on June 13th, 2008 05:07 pm (UTC)
I tend to think if I can do it, it must not be all that impressive, really, and that anybody can do it.

I feel this way a lot.
Kate Kirbykirbyk on June 13th, 2008 05:24 pm (UTC)
Yeah, I think that's it exactly. I definitely agree with music, especially the _music_ half of it - I could maybe come up with song lyrics, with enough practice.

I don't feel quite the disconnect with fiction - it's on the long list of things that I've had moderate success with, with limited practice. I think if I wanted to - there's an alternate universe where I write very popular, witty novels and am considered the American Terry Pratchett, I like to think. :-) I just happened to pick a _different_ thing that I have a lot of potential for to get really good at.

But painting, OMG. How do you get the pictures in your brain onto a canvas just using your hands and some paint? Uh, wait, you're the wrong person to ask _that_. Heh.

The thing I'm actually good at, software engineering, I guess it's true. I know how I got good at it, so there's no mystery. Anyone could do it, it's not really magic! Except of course, I know that most people that even do it professionally are crap at it, so that's probably not true. Huh.

Maybe it's just a defense mechanism so we don't get the egos that are probably justified and turn into Harlan Ellison types, which nobody wants. And besides, I know so many people that are better than me, and I've learned so _much_ just in the last year, and have so far to go before I'm _actually_ good. And that's another part of it, we're comparing ourselves against what we want to be, and everyone else is comparing us to what they are, which is hopefully a very different standard!

I look forward to reading the book you write in 2030!
kit: artmizkit on June 14th, 2008 05:26 am (UTC)
Yeah...song lyrics are distilled storytelling, a lot of the time. I think you must need to take one concrete image or feeling you want to evoke and work with that (I've been listening to a lot of Nickelback and can see that idea in their music). I'm not all that good at short fiction, but...yeah, I might be able to learn to do that. Music itself, though, just...O.O

*laughs* Yes, I'm the wrong person to ask about that. :) Though I'm a good enough artist to know that it's a matter of *practice* (which is true of everything, I guess), though obviously some kind of innate talent helps. OTOH, I know at least one guy who had no talent or skill at drawing at all (by his own estimation, which was, I'd say, not far off) who wanted to learn to drawn and got an art major in college and *did* learn. He might not ever be a master, but he did learn the skill. So maybe age and practice trumps talent and youth. :)

...2030 is too far away. I can't even wrap my brain around writing that far in the future. I can manage 2012, and on really ambitious days I can get to 2020, but 2030 is too far away. :) Like, I don't even know who I'll be then, or something, much less how I'll write. :)
omegar: Iron Man tony Starkomegar on June 13th, 2008 06:43 pm (UTC)
</i>I tend to think if I can do it, it must not be all that impressive, really, and that anybody can do it.</i>

I am that way about computer programming. I find that picking up computer languages is not that hard, the hardest was that first language, getting the logic Twist.

Now i would love to be able to learn other real world Languages. However they are hard.

In truth is a bit of an inferiority complex, because i can do it, it is easy. However having spent Three days on a computer course with a Surgeon (who was also doing the course for Data Manipulation in relation to his work) i discovered that not everyone finds computers easy.

It is not the first time i have encountered this, however it is the first time i Had it easy picking something up, and others found it hard.

Oh well, i guess i can think in a logical way.
suelder: ghost songsuelder on June 13th, 2008 07:58 pm (UTC)
I feel that way about drawing - I'd love to be able to draw, but it's some kind of arcane mystery to me.

Suelder
kit: artmizkit on June 14th, 2008 05:27 am (UTC)
Yeah, that's kind of weird, isn't it? Just this ... big blank spot of "I don't even know where to *start*." If I step back and get really rational about it I could figure out where to start, but the emotional response is just "nope, no way, can't do it, don't know how."
sueldersuelder on June 15th, 2008 10:51 am (UTC)
I'm a really analytical person and I've tried to approach it rationally - getting books, taking classes and such.

I can copy other people's 2-D drawings a little, but drawing from life is on the other side of the wall for me.

And yeah, it's an emotional wall.

sammywolsammywol on June 14th, 2008 04:16 pm (UTC)
Of course a lot of songwriters don't write music, just lyrics, and someone else does the melody. That is really weird!
zootdingozootdingo on June 16th, 2008 09:39 pm (UTC)
One of my best friends is an amazing musician. He can sing, play the guitar, drum, make up his own songs or make someone elses better. My husband is an amazing artist he can create real life or make stuff up out of his head. I am insanely jealous of them both even though I love them. They get both look at me like I am a goddess when I a knit them something. Or when I create them something nifty out of fabric, so I guess it works both ways.