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03 February 2007 @ 01:01 am
so late it's early  
Staying up all night to watch over the dog, who's still sicking up. Possibly she's sicking up now because she's a bit dried out and apparently when dogs get dried out they'll vomit if they drink too much. Like, you're supposed to reintroduce water 2 teaspoons at a time for a dog Chantico's size. That's not very much water! Poor puppy is *all* tired out. I expect I'd be tired, too, if all I'd been doing since Wednesday morning sometime was throwing up or sleeping. o.O

...y'know, I've got nothing to say. I heard a teacher on the train the other day saying he'd taught for twenty years and never met a genius, which led me to wonder what constituted actual genius. I know lots and lots of very very smart people, many, perhaps most, of whom have technical genius IQ, but I don't think it's just the IQ that makes a genius. And so I've been meaning to blog about that and see what people thought, and, um, I guess that's what I'm doing now. :)

miles to Dunharrow: 92
Current Location: on the couch
Current Mood: awake(more or less)
Current Music: mish-mash in my head
pgmccpgmcc on February 2nd, 2007 10:26 pm (UTC)
Sorry to hear Chantico's still ill.

dsgood on February 2nd, 2007 10:32 pm (UTC)
Good thoughts for the dog! (And for the rest of the household.)

"Genius level IQ" is a bit more meaningful than "Saint level cooking ability," but not much more.

IQ doesn't measure ability to come up with ideas -- and the tests for that don't measure ability to do things with the ideas. IQ doesn't measure ability to use the brains you have. It doesn't measure ability to refrain from doing stupid things.
J.K.Richárd: cupojoeneutronjockey on February 2nd, 2007 11:03 pm (UTC)
There are a couple of IQ assessment tests running about; Weschler Adult Intelligence Test, Standford-Binet, Raven's Progressive Matrices---just to name a few. IQ tests are limited in scope (IMNSHO); Raven's Matrices for example uses symbols and logic puzzles the other two names test 2 and 3 dimensional geometry, mathematics, verbal and linguistic reasoning, concentration and memory.[Unknown LJ tag]
Howard Gardner proposed his theory of multiple intelligences sometime in the 80s. His attempt to revolutionize psychometrics has been widely disregarded by most "professionals." Gardner categorized different types of intelligences:linguistic, logical-mathematical,spatial, bodily-kinesthetic, musical, naturalistic, interpersonal, and intrapersonal.
I've personally met people who I considered artistic geniuses or musical geniuses but couldn't do math or puzzle working or write plain English for $hit. I'm more inclined to believe in multiple intelligences.
Genius by definition of IQ alone is often considered an IQ at or above 140 (though I've seen it cited at 135).
Here's some 'stuff' I dug up 'round the net:
Over 140 - Genius or near genius

120 - 140 - Very superior intelligence

110 - 119 - Superior intelligence

90 - 109 - Normal or average intelligence

80 - 89 - Dullness

70 - 79 - Borderline deficiency

Under 70 - Definite feeble-mindedness

Normal Distribution & IQ Scores
The properties of the normal distribution apply to IQ scores:

50% of IQ scores fall between 90 and 110

70% of IQ scores fall between 85 and 115

95% of IQ scores fall between 70 and 130

99.5% of IQ scores fall between 60 and 140

115-124 - Above average (e.g., university students)
125-134 - Gifted (e.g., post-graduate students)
135-144 - Highly gifted (e.g., intellectuals)
145-154 - Genius (e.g., professors)
155-164 - Genius (e.g., Nobel Prize winners)
165-179 - High genius
180-200 - Highest genius
>200 - "Unmeasurable genius"

When measured by any psychometric means genius becomes "just a number."
My mother had a very high IQ (mid-range genius), my father has a high genius IQ... and guess what? Yeaup, I've had a label that has stuck with me since my pre-teen years...and no it wasn't Unmeasurable Genius :P Genius comes with a lot of stigma attached to it, a lot of pressures and a lot of ostracision that I wouldn't wish on anyone. Though to sit in on a conversation between me and pops is really entertaining.
I believe Albert Einstein's take on genius was this: Genius is the ability to take the complicated and make it simple.
I try to keep that in mind every day.
J.K.Richárdneutronjockey on February 2nd, 2007 11:04 pm (UTC)
well I attempted to Lj-cut that >:(
Jay Lakejaylake on February 2nd, 2007 11:35 pm (UTC)
Well, there is a technical definition of genius based on test metrics, but I suspect he was speaking of someone of deep and thoughtful insight. Some very bright people can be mercilessly shallow, while others are deep or thoughtful without the accompanying insight.

Hell if I know. The only genius I ever met was working in an Apple store. At least, that's what his shirt said -- "genius."
wednesday childewedschilde on February 3rd, 2007 12:31 am (UTC)
oh i hope puppy is feeling better.

maybe the teacher was really just so boring that none of the geniuses could work up to even apathy to the subjects he taught? god knows... there were quite a few teachers i had that just made me want to flail my eyes out with a protractor... and those were in subjects i enjoyed.
Enchanted Onyxenchantedonyx on February 3rd, 2007 01:42 am (UTC)
Genius- tested IQ of 166, read at age 3, skipped the 2nd grade, graduated high school with a 4.0gpa, National Merit Scholar, highest English AP score ever in his high school, B.S. in Physics and Math with a 4.0gpa, fellowship for grad school, currently finishing PhD in Astrophysics. Also a decently talented musician, heavily into politics, religion, literature, and philosophy and all around nice guy.

If that isn't "genius" than I don't think there is such a thing.

We dated for 4 and a half years- And I never had even a shot at being his equal.
Myles Corcoranmylescorcoran on February 3rd, 2007 07:09 am (UTC)
Poor puppy. I hope she's getting better.

Genius and high IQ correlate okay, but not convincingly. Besides, genius is a bit like SF. Hard to define but it's basically what I point to and call genius.
miladyinsanity on February 3rd, 2007 12:55 pm (UTC)
If you really want to know more, David Shenk's Genius Blog might be just the thing.