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08 December 2016 @ 03:38 pm
a Beauty and the Beast tangent  

So I’m on a Beauty and the Beast kick right now and I mentioned to Ted yesterday morning that if your favourite fairy tale is BatB (as mine has always been), that it is very likely that at some point quite early on you realize that having the Beast transform back into the Prince is a terrible disappointment. The thing is you (we, Beauty) have fallen in love with the *Beast*. We want the *Beast*. We don’t want a stupid prince.

Ted’s response to this was pretty much O.O

So he mentioned the topic to his (all women) gaming group last night.

(An aside: he said this morning, with a sort of weak grimness, “Talking about blood magic w/a bunch of women is…a whole different thing. Thank god I’ve been married almost 20 years. Teenage me would have run away screaming. I almost did anyway.”)

ANYWAY, not the point!

The point: he mentions the falling in love with the Beast, not the prince, thing.

The entire gaming group, at once, with explosive hand gestures, cried, “YES!!!”

Ted is like, “That story is apparently just a completely different experience for boys than girls…”

And, I mean, look: that was part of the appeal of the 1980s TV show, right? Vincent was never going to turn into the prince. He already *was* the prince, but he was *always* going to be the Beast. HOW CAN THAT BE ANYTHING BUT PERFECT?

(x-posted from The Essential Kit)

Brienzebrienze on December 8th, 2016 05:53 pm (UTC)
I had a similar conversation with a man a few months ago. He didn't understand why women always say that Dean Winchester is the hot one. This guy (very tall, BMI-approved weight for his height) saw Sam as the hot one, because broad shoulders, muscles, good hair, etc. Sam is who this guy wants to be, because objectification. Another woman and I explained that Dean is the hot one because he's the bad boy, the one too emotionally constipated to talk about his feelings, even though he obviously has them. He's baseline hot, which is all we really want physically, since the emotional appeal is more important. Women are socialized to LIKE this and see it as a challenge, because if we didn't it would be considered an unattractive character flaw and many men would find it impossible to get laid.

Men need the Beast to turn back into the Prince so the (imagined) (off-screen) sex isn't squicky. Women, otoh, Do Not Care and/or think it's an interesting challenge to figure out how that would work.
Herefoxherefox on December 8th, 2016 06:36 pm (UTC)
I..am sort of boggled people think Sam is the hot one? Dean has infinitely more appeal and that's even discounting the bad boy thing. Or at least sort of. I suppose that "I'm getting away with something smile" he does all the time is part of the bad boy?

Aside from that, Sam always looks like he he needs to wash his hair. ;-)
kitmizkit on December 8th, 2016 06:41 pm (UTC)
...actually I think Jensen Ackles is just *prettier* than Jared Padalecki, constipated emotional problems aside. I think Sam's a better choice for a relationship, but Dean's SOOOOOOOOOOOOO PREEEEEEETTTTTTTTTTTYYYYYYYYYYYYY...

Sam, however, is obviously your guy friend's type. :)
Laura Anne Gilmansuricattus on December 8th, 2016 07:04 pm (UTC)
I can see the appeal in both physical types, but Sam is far more ruthless a personality, dressed up in New Age Guy trappings. Dean's the one you know you can trust emotionally, no matter what.


As to the BatB question: yeah. Beast + chore-performing dishes + library = who needs a prince?
6_penny on December 9th, 2016 06:53 pm (UTC)
Yes. This. And the self cleaning rooms. And laundry.
Mary Annepers1stence on December 9th, 2016 02:23 am (UTC)
Also, Ackles is totally the pretty one - those lashes and lips...but yes, clearly Sam would be a better partner.